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Topic Title: Maximum Earth Loop Impedance Values For Common Devices
Topic Summary: What About the Uncommon Devices
Created On: 02 February 2017 11:19 PM
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 02 February 2017 11:19 PM
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keithredpath

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I have tables which list the Maximum Earth Loop Values for Common Devices and when I come across "Uncommon" devices usually just enter "A Limitation" on my Report.

However a client has insisted all these values appear on his report.

Is there an easy way to obtain these values? They are mainly all MCCBs, have variable settings and have different manufacturers.

Am I right in assuming this might be a complicated process?

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 02 February 2017 11:36 PM
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Legh

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Manufacturers of mccbs provide charts of time-current characteristics.
although not always as easy to find as the energy let-through for the larger OCPDs.

they specify leading to trailing edge currents for instantaneous disconnection where standard devices in the regs only give trailing edge disconnection currents.

3-5 Ia for type B
5-10 Ia for type C
10-20 Ia for type D

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 03 February 2017 12:14 AM
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alancapon

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. . . when I come across "Uncommon" devices usually just enter "A Limitation" on my Report.

However a client has insisted all these values appear on his report. . .

I think I would want these completed too. Most manufacturers have the data sheets for the devices available on their websites. I have always understood that "limitations" should be agreed with the client.

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Alan.
 03 February 2017 07:17 AM
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leckie

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It depends what model forms you use. The model forms in BS7671 don't have a column for the maximum permitted Zs. Nor do ECA model forms. The NICEIC ones do.
 03 February 2017 11:32 AM
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John Peckham

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Keith

If you do not know the maximum value of Zs for a particular device how do you know if your measured result is satisfactory and will provide ADS is the the required disconnection time?

As I have already posted on this forum I am the custodian of the "Great Book of Circuit Protection" which contains information on many ancient and modern protective devices. I am happy to provide data if I have it to forum members. If anyone has any data sheets on legacy devices I would be most grateful if they could send me them for inclusion in the book.

If you want data on a particular adjustable MCCB I need the make, model number, In rating,model number of trip and any settings.

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 09 February 2017 06:11 PM
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keithredpath

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Many Thanks John, I may take you up on that kind offer shortly.

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 19 February 2017 07:45 PM
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weirdbeard

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-4 The lowest number of posts ever, congratulations Keith

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 19 February 2017 11:16 PM
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mapj1

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negative scores, perhaps the people who wrote the forum software have been watching QI ? Certainly posting and deleting in rapid succession can both bump a message to the top and muck up the scores... Mind you elsewhere WB, you seem to have problems with multiple postings. If this was another, perhaps the use of the delete button to remove multiples, may be what has done this.

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 26 March 2019 10:40 PM
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sparkingchip

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In over sixteen years I cannot recall seeing a negative number of replies before!
 27 March 2019 02:03 PM
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Alcomax

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Posts had gone to zero @ sparkingchips post, 10.40 pm. Four on from when it was -4..........so now it must be 1?

The forum is disintegrating in the run up to being frozen in time.

edit to add:

It is still zero!


edit to add on the 28th : This is getting more weird by the day.......this is now top of the posts?????

Edited: 28 March 2019 at 06:44 PM by Alcomax
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