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Topic Title: Lethal RCD Spur from China
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Created On: 24 October 2014 07:29 pm
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 24 October 2014 07:29 pm
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datadiffusion

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We had a job to add an outdoor camera via a customer supplied lighting column and existing SWA. I wanted to fit an RCD fused spur to the head end for obvious reasons. I bought one very cheap - bearing in mind I do believe you get what you pay for - just to see what it was like to be honest...



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UK based importer SMJ Electrical (google them) have seemingly been selling this item through many stores but I bought it from cpc - search for item no. PL13163

Suffice to say I went to the local trade counter and bought another.

Sadly no-one seems to be interested including the Electrical Safety charities.

EDIT - can anyone add images and links - or is it blocked permanently?

Edited: 24 October 2014 at 07:54 pm by datadiffusion
 24 October 2014 08:11 pm
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Fm

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New users can't post links to stop spammers.
It stops after 10 posts I think
 24 October 2014 08:19 pm
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hifly

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Originally posted by: datadiffusion



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 24 October 2014 08:28 pm
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datadiffusion

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Thanks! Great isn't it? The result of years of lobbying and pressure resulting in virtually non existent regulation.
 24 October 2014 08:58 pm
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Rulland

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Welcome to the IET mate.

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 24 October 2014 09:03 pm
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datadiffusion

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Hmm. that name seems familiar

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 24 October 2014 09:13 pm
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impvan

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I bet it has the CE mark, the mark that keeps us safe...
 24 October 2014 09:34 pm
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datadiffusion

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Not only that, the UK based warehouse has ISO9001 and 14001. They can do no wrong!
 25 October 2014 08:44 am
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Zoomup

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Hello and thanks for that info hifly.

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 25 October 2014 09:07 am
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davezawadi

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ISO 9001 and 140001 are quality system approvals, for the system not the products! Clearly the system is not working, probably because the manufacturers CE mark is all the proof needed that the product is made to all the applicable standards. Of course the EU could prosecute them in China, but nothing will happen as it is slightly more difficult than demanding £1.7 billion from the UK to fill up the trough!

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 25 October 2014 10:04 am
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datadiffusion

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I know re:ISO but the fact they have them is probably why the likes of buyers at Dixons and Farnell wade in and re-sell their tat without a second thought.
 25 October 2014 10:21 am
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impvan

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So we have ISO/EN quality systems, and presumably another system to check the first system; but the system relies on trusting a printed mark (or even one bought as a roll of stickers from RS) from an un-sueable - and probably untraceable - manufacturer on the other side of the world???? Have we lost the bloody plot?

It's been known for while that CE marks are faked. 'S about time our euro-guardians looked into it.
 25 October 2014 11:36 am
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datadiffusion

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I think in this case though, the original manufacturer is very traceable (if SMJ want them to be, of course), after all this isn't quite the usual poundshop import company using a Parcelshop PO Box address, they do seem to be playing serious even if they are playing dangerous...

http://www.smjuk.com/about-smj
 25 October 2014 12:27 pm
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quoted to make the link work..
Originally posted by: datadiffusion

I think in this case though, the original manufacturer is very traceable (if SMJ want them to be, of course), after all this isn't quite the usual poundshop import company using a Parcelshop PO Box address, they do seem to be playing serious even if they are playing dangerous...

http://www.smjuk.com/about-smj


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 27 October 2014 05:39 pm
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datadiffusion

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Just FYI no response from Electrical Safety First 'Dangerous Product Unit' so far...
 28 October 2014 08:29 am
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gel

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Send your story to BBC Watchdog: as I see SMJ supply retail big boys, they may pursue, as there could be other products with similarly dangerous faults:

https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mg74/contact

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 28 October 2014 10:07 am
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jnd47

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When we leave Europe (it will happen eventually) we can bring back the BEAB (British Electrotechnical Approvals Board), which used to test certain electrical products like heaters and washing machines. This was not allowed after we joined Europe. I remember when I was young everything electrical had a little triangular label on, with the BEAB and BS Kitemark. Also no fitted plug, but back then everyone knew how to wire one up, or the shop assistant would do it for you. (Can you imagine that now?)

 28 October 2014 11:00 am
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gel

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CE

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Edited: 28 October 2014 at 11:09 am by gel
 28 October 2014 11:31 am
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or Chinese Export!
 29 October 2014 10:29 am
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datadiffusion

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I'll be honest 'Gel', Watchdog would probably be the last people I'd bother, they are unlikely to understand the subtleties of the problem and in the unlikely event that it was featured, would be legally bound to read out a statement from SMJ along the lines of 'We at SMJ take safety very seriously, and do not recognise that danger is caused by any of our fantastic quality CE marked and approved products. We are ISO9001 and 14001 approved and safety is at the core of our mission statement. We will thoroughly investigate these claims.' or some such guff.

Anyway ESF got back to me this morning and state they've had many other complaints. Not clear if they mean from here or over a long period...

And they have also just called me to discuss - full marks
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