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Topic Title: Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.
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Created On: 01 October 2014 03:20 pm
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 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - 24Hour - 01 October 2014 03:20 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 01 October 2014 03:42 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 01 October 2014 04:09 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mikejumper - 01 October 2014 04:46 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 01 October 2014 05:01 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - rocknroll - 01 October 2014 05:15 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 01 October 2014 04:52 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 01 October 2014 08:06 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 01 October 2014 04:56 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Polyamide66 - 08 November 2014 12:03 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Polyamide66 - 08 November 2014 12:04 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Polyamide66 - 08 November 2014 12:05 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 01 October 2014 05:11 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - 24Hour - 01 October 2014 05:13 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 01 October 2014 05:26 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - rocknroll - 01 October 2014 05:55 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - aligarjon - 01 October 2014 06:03 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 01 October 2014 06:08 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - rocknroll - 01 October 2014 06:12 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - whjohnson - 01 October 2014 06:35 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 01 October 2014 06:49 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - whjohnson - 01 October 2014 06:59 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 01 October 2014 07:10 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 01 October 2014 07:18 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - rocknroll - 01 October 2014 07:39 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 01 October 2014 08:13 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 17 January 2015 08:36 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - stateit - 01 October 2014 08:15 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 01 October 2014 08:28 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 01 October 2014 11:08 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 01 October 2014 08:33 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - largelunchbox - 15 October 2014 05:37 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - impvan - 01 October 2014 08:47 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - peteTLM - 01 October 2014 09:01 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 01 October 2014 09:01 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - peteTLM - 01 October 2014 09:04 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 01 October 2014 09:25 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 01 October 2014 09:34 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 01 October 2014 09:38 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 01 October 2014 09:58 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - DOUGIE1000 - 01 October 2014 11:41 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Phillron - 01 October 2014 11:49 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - DOUGIE1000 - 02 October 2014 12:29 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 02 October 2014 07:29 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 02 October 2014 08:15 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 23 October 2014 06:16 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 23 October 2014 07:03 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 23 October 2014 07:19 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 23 October 2014 07:40 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 23 October 2014 08:11 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 23 October 2014 09:51 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 23 October 2014 10:04 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 23 October 2014 10:45 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 24 October 2014 02:56 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 24 October 2014 03:15 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 24 October 2014 03:29 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 01 November 2014 08:51 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 01 November 2014 10:23 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 01 November 2014 01:31 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 01 November 2014 01:44 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 07 November 2014 09:19 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 24 October 2014 06:53 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 23 October 2014 07:27 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 08 November 2014 05:37 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 08 November 2014 05:46 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 09 November 2014 03:24 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 02 October 2014 09:32 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - jcm256 - 13 October 2014 08:26 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - bartonp - 15 October 2014 10:19 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 14 October 2014 08:38 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 17 October 2014 08:45 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 18 October 2014 08:42 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - impvan - 20 October 2014 10:25 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - jcm256 - 20 October 2014 05:51 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 21 October 2014 06:13 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 19 October 2014 01:28 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 16 October 2014 12:43 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - 24Hour - 16 October 2014 01:11 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 16 October 2014 02:33 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 16 October 2014 02:45 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 16 October 2014 10:30 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 16 October 2014 10:58 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 18 October 2014 09:01 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 19 October 2014 08:45 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 19 October 2014 09:13 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 19 October 2014 10:48 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 20 October 2014 09:56 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 20 October 2014 06:04 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 20 October 2014 10:13 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 21 October 2014 06:56 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 21 October 2014 07:00 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - elecyvie - 21 October 2014 07:09 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 21 October 2014 07:18 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 21 October 2014 07:27 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 21 October 2014 07:26 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 21 October 2014 07:30 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 21 October 2014 07:39 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 21 October 2014 08:14 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 21 October 2014 08:25 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - UKPN - 21 October 2014 09:06 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - peteTLM - 21 October 2014 09:15 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 21 October 2014 09:29 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - UKPN - 21 October 2014 09:52 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - slittle - 21 October 2014 10:18 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - UKPN - 21 October 2014 10:23 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 21 October 2014 10:49 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 21 October 2014 10:59 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 22 October 2014 11:22 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 22 October 2014 11:56 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 22 October 2014 12:09 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 22 October 2014 12:19 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 22 October 2014 02:03 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 23 October 2014 09:01 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 23 October 2014 10:15 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 23 October 2014 10:47 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 23 October 2014 11:30 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 24 October 2014 06:25 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 24 October 2014 07:39 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 24 October 2014 07:44 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 24 October 2014 09:15 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 24 October 2014 09:25 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 23 October 2014 11:58 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - donglebat - 24 October 2014 07:33 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 24 October 2014 09:23 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 24 October 2014 02:16 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - KFH - 24 October 2014 12:49 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 24 October 2014 01:03 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 24 October 2014 01:25 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 24 October 2014 04:11 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 24 October 2014 04:22 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 24 October 2014 06:00 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 24 October 2014 06:39 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 24 October 2014 07:48 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 25 October 2014 02:07 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 24 October 2014 02:14 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 24 October 2014 02:26 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 24 October 2014 02:48 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 24 October 2014 03:45 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 24 October 2014 04:03 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 24 October 2014 06:37 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 25 October 2014 07:49 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 25 October 2014 08:58 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 26 October 2014 06:51 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 26 October 2014 09:39 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 26 October 2014 06:47 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 26 October 2014 08:39 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 26 October 2014 09:09 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 28 October 2014 08:57 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 28 October 2014 09:58 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 29 October 2014 10:59 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 29 October 2014 11:09 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 26 October 2014 10:17 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 26 October 2014 11:59 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 28 October 2014 09:14 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 28 October 2014 09:41 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - chrisbradley - 28 October 2014 12:43 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 28 October 2014 03:09 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 29 October 2014 04:15 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 29 October 2014 08:12 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 29 October 2014 04:50 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 29 October 2014 07:37 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - rocknroll - 29 October 2014 08:04 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 29 October 2014 10:31 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 29 October 2014 11:40 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 30 October 2014 06:46 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 30 October 2014 07:26 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 30 October 2014 09:42 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Angram - 30 October 2014 10:34 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 30 October 2014 12:06 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 30 October 2014 01:18 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 30 October 2014 01:18 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 31 October 2014 12:35 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 31 October 2014 08:39 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 01 November 2014 10:01 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 07 November 2014 10:38 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 07 November 2014 12:01 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 07 November 2014 07:47 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 07 November 2014 08:28 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - spinlondon - 07 November 2014 09:12 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 07 November 2014 09:54 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 07 November 2014 09:57 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 07 November 2014 10:03 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 07 November 2014 10:12 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 08 November 2014 12:21 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 07 November 2014 10:29 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Polyamide66 - 07 November 2014 11:52 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Polyamide66 - 07 November 2014 11:53 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Polyamide66 - 07 November 2014 11:57 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 08 November 2014 09:43 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 08 November 2014 05:57 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Polyamide66 - 07 November 2014 11:47 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Polyamide66 - 07 November 2014 11:47 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - spinlondon - 07 November 2014 11:59 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 08 November 2014 12:15 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 08 November 2014 09:27 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 08 November 2014 09:31 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 08 November 2014 09:53 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 08 November 2014 10:05 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 08 November 2014 10:20 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 08 November 2014 10:46 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 08 November 2014 10:59 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 08 November 2014 11:36 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Polyamide66 - 08 November 2014 09:09 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 08 November 2014 09:21 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 08 November 2014 09:22 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 09 November 2014 09:41 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 08 November 2014 11:40 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 08 November 2014 10:16 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 08 November 2014 10:28 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 08 November 2014 10:34 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 08 November 2014 10:41 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 08 November 2014 12:11 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 08 November 2014 12:14 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 08 November 2014 12:41 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 08 November 2014 12:56 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 08 November 2014 01:40 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 08 November 2014 01:43 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 08 November 2014 01:53 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 08 November 2014 04:25 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 08 November 2014 05:27 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 08 November 2014 05:57 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 08 November 2014 09:42 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 08 November 2014 10:17 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 08 November 2014 10:41 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 08 November 2014 10:56 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 08 November 2014 11:08 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 09 November 2014 02:28 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 08 November 2014 06:09 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 08 November 2014 06:19 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 08 November 2014 06:22 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - TimJWatts - 09 November 2014 01:54 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - spinlondon - 08 November 2014 07:40 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - bowmandj - 08 November 2014 08:51 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 08 November 2014 09:24 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 08 November 2014 10:32 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 08 November 2014 10:37 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 08 November 2014 10:52 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 09 November 2014 02:28 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 09 November 2014 02:34 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 09 November 2014 02:40 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 09 November 2014 02:47 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 09 November 2014 03:12 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 09 November 2014 03:22 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 09 November 2014 05:31 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 09 November 2014 06:07 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 09 November 2014 08:40 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 09 November 2014 09:38 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 09 November 2014 02:49 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 09 November 2014 02:54 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 09 November 2014 03:10 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 09 November 2014 03:15 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 09 November 2014 03:16 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Polyamide66 - 09 November 2014 06:56 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 09 November 2014 07:41 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 09 November 2014 03:29 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - jcm256 - 09 November 2014 03:37 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 09 November 2014 04:07 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 09 November 2014 05:00 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 09 November 2014 10:24 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 09 November 2014 03:44 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - John Peckham - 09 November 2014 06:34 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 09 November 2014 07:34 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 09 November 2014 07:47 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - dickllewellyn - 09 November 2014 09:49 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 09 November 2014 10:42 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 09 November 2014 10:45 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 09 November 2014 10:48 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 10 November 2014 12:03 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 10 November 2014 09:53 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 10 November 2014 12:48 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 10 November 2014 01:09 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 10 November 2014 06:54 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 10 November 2014 08:58 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 10 November 2014 09:19 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 10 November 2014 11:53 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 10 November 2014 02:46 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 10 November 2014 03:25 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - KFH - 10 November 2014 02:45 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 10 November 2014 02:57 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 10 November 2014 03:13 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - jcm256 - 10 November 2014 03:23 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 10 November 2014 03:39 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 10 November 2014 04:50 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 10 November 2014 07:18 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 10 November 2014 07:23 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 10 November 2014 03:23 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 10 November 2014 07:31 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 11 November 2014 01:03 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 11 November 2014 02:25 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - stuartsmiles - 11 November 2014 09:03 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 11 November 2014 09:11 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - stuartsmiles - 11 November 2014 09:18 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 22 November 2014 05:14 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - stuartsmiles - 11 November 2014 09:45 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 11 November 2014 10:48 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - stuartsmiles - 11 November 2014 11:03 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 11 November 2014 11:28 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 21 November 2014 08:16 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 21 November 2014 09:24 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 12 November 2014 08:36 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 12 November 2014 02:31 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 21 November 2014 12:33 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 22 November 2014 09:54 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 22 November 2014 11:28 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 22 November 2014 04:55 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - daveparry1 - 22 November 2014 05:00 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - 24Hour - 22 November 2014 05:41 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - jcm256 - 22 November 2014 07:37 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 23 November 2014 03:38 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - peteTLM - 23 November 2014 08:01 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - IronFreely - 23 November 2014 09:21 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 23 November 2014 09:28 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 23 November 2014 09:29 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 24 November 2014 04:46 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 24 November 2014 10:26 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 24 November 2014 04:54 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 24 November 2014 05:05 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 24 November 2014 05:24 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 24 November 2014 07:19 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - peteTLM - 24 November 2014 09:28 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 24 November 2014 09:41 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - peteTLM - 24 November 2014 11:04 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 24 November 2014 11:30 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 24 November 2014 11:37 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 25 November 2014 05:42 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 25 November 2014 06:47 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 25 November 2014 10:12 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 25 November 2014 11:14 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 25 November 2014 05:04 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - bowmandj - 25 November 2014 11:18 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 25 November 2014 02:30 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 25 November 2014 11:59 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 25 November 2014 01:27 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 25 November 2014 05:57 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - 24Hour - 25 November 2014 07:58 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 26 November 2014 06:56 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 26 November 2014 09:47 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - dickllewellyn - 26 November 2014 10:12 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - bowmandj - 26 November 2014 10:29 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 27 November 2014 09:52 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Crazycolours - 29 November 2014 07:54 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - CopperRod - 04 December 2014 01:27 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - jcm256 - 04 December 2014 07:19 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 04 December 2014 09:44 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 04 December 2014 11:51 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - jcm256 - 05 December 2014 12:09 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 05 December 2014 12:15 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - dickllewellyn - 04 December 2014 09:04 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 05 December 2014 05:50 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 05 December 2014 06:31 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - dickllewellyn - 05 December 2014 06:34 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 05 December 2014 06:41 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - dickllewellyn - 05 December 2014 07:21 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 05 December 2014 09:39 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 06 December 2014 05:30 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - BillI - 06 December 2014 07:33 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 11 December 2014 10:52 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - jcm256 - 11 December 2014 06:22 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 11 December 2014 06:26 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - weirdbeard - 11 December 2014 06:44 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoomup - 11 December 2014 06:58 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - OMS - 11 December 2014 07:47 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 11 December 2014 08:51 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 11 December 2014 09:47 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 15 December 2014 04:40 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 15 December 2014 09:36 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 15 December 2014 10:23 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 15 December 2014 10:34 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - dickllewellyn - 16 December 2014 08:12 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 16 December 2014 10:21 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 16 December 2014 06:08 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 16 December 2014 09:33 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - alanblaby - 16 December 2014 10:43 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 16 December 2014 11:24 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 16 December 2014 11:44 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 16 December 2014 11:52 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Jaymack - 17 December 2014 09:34 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - BillI - 17 December 2014 06:55 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - dickllewellyn - 17 December 2014 08:09 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - alanblaby - 17 December 2014 08:46 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 17 December 2014 09:12 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 17 December 2014 09:17 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 17 December 2014 09:58 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 17 December 2014 12:10 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - SandyBoiler - 19 December 2014 05:43 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 17 December 2014 04:26 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - dickllewellyn - 17 December 2014 06:22 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 17 December 2014 07:29 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 17 December 2014 07:48 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 17 December 2014 10:43 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 18 December 2014 02:34 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - napitprofessional - 18 December 2014 02:27 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 18 December 2014 02:24 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 18 December 2014 04:32 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 18 December 2014 04:51 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 18 December 2014 05:09 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 18 December 2014 05:26 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 18 December 2014 05:49 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 18 December 2014 06:37 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - SandyBoiler - 18 December 2014 07:10 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - jcm256 - 18 December 2014 07:28 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 18 December 2014 08:05 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 18 December 2014 07:45 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 18 December 2014 08:12 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 18 December 2014 08:30 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 18 December 2014 10:35 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - gkenyon - 19 December 2014 09:33 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 19 December 2014 10:12 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - CopperRod - 19 December 2014 06:28 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Bhilly - 19 December 2014 08:53 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 19 December 2014 10:28 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - ebee - 19 December 2014 10:53 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 19 December 2014 02:51 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - bowmandj - 19 December 2014 03:07 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 19 December 2014 05:56 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - SandyBoiler - 19 December 2014 06:12 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 20 December 2014 08:48 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - SandyBoiler - 20 December 2014 11:18 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - bowmandj - 20 December 2014 11:41 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - bowmandj - 20 December 2014 11:59 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 20 December 2014 02:30 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 20 December 2014 05:26 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - SandyBoiler - 20 December 2014 07:36 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Zoro - 21 December 2014 11:05 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - SandyBoiler - 21 December 2014 03:06 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - rogerbryant - 22 December 2014 03:52 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - bowmandj - 20 December 2014 07:11 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 21 December 2014 11:59 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - AJJewsbury - 22 December 2014 04:09 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 22 December 2014 04:22 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 22 December 2014 08:50 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 22 December 2014 09:00 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - leckie - 22 December 2014 09:50 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - peteTLM - 22 December 2014 07:11 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - mapj1 - 22 December 2014 11:06 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 23 December 2014 09:49 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Phillron - 23 December 2014 10:41 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 23 December 2014 09:53 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - FizzleBang - 23 December 2014 10:03 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 23 December 2014 10:11 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 24 December 2014 08:27 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Phillron - 24 December 2014 05:21 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 02 January 2015 09:44 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Brilec - 03 January 2015 11:38 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - phantom9 - 03 January 2015 12:20 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - spinlondon - 03 January 2015 12:46 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Brilec - 03 January 2015 01:48 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Brilec - 03 January 2015 01:48 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - alanblaby - 03 January 2015 01:55 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Brilec - 03 January 2015 03:19 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - alancapon - 03 January 2015 03:35 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - sparkingchip - 03 January 2015 07:41 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - paulskyrme - 03 January 2015 08:01 pm  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 04 January 2015 03:34 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - davezawadi - 04 January 2015 03:43 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - BillI - 04 January 2015 05:43 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - GeoffBlackwell - 04 January 2015 06:15 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - Boolean - 04 January 2015 10:12 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - potential - 04 January 2015 11:01 am  
 Have I gone mad or did i just hear that right ? No plastic fuseboards.   - BillI - 04 January 2015 11:21 am  
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 08 November 2014 01:53 pm
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I am however a firm believer that there should be facts driving regulatory change, not just 'feelgood factor'. There is a very good reason to expect the raw data to be made very publicly available for scrutiny. Otherwise there is a risk that if becomes just another "daft rule" to ignore, and has the potential to discredit the whole process -you end up with the Greek tax collection model of regulation and enforcement.

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 08 November 2014 04:25 pm
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Well I think JP put his finger on the reson for 90% of the problems. Rubbish designed cable termination clamps. I was check the termination tightness on a Wylex 804, wooden back plate type, the other day. The tails were absolutely tight and were probably fitted 35-40 years ago. Two screws, all brass, dead solid.

I have also checked hundreds of newer installs of tails terminations installed by guys working for me. I had to continuously explain to the guys that you need to check and double check that the cables are in the cage and not behind it. Surprisingly easy to do so it needs a check. Also, the board is finished and the testing is finished, all the terminations require rechecking. As Geoff was saying when he mentions twisting the connections to his students sockets, any movement can easily loosen or dislodge a connection.

The other favourite is terminations into MCB's. It is very difficult to actually see if cables or the busbar into modern MCB's are actually in the cage. With the cables you can tug test them with your trusty red insulated, Elliot Lucas long nose pliers, and then retighten. It's trickier with the busbar connections to ensure all the prongs are actually in the cage, not behind it if you cannot see the actual connection. This is the case with Hager and Control Gear. Probably with others as well.

So sort the devices out, not wrap up the rubbish in a metal box would be my preferred option.

That feels so good getting that off my chest. Now deep breath in, release, and......... relax!
 08 November 2014 05:27 pm
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Leckie is trying to listen to these people, but they are not inspectors, they are trying to argue from a political viewpoint. Engineering is not interested in politics and facts are not changed by wonderful speeches. As I said before a prohibited item must be a C1 by definition.

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 08 November 2014 05:57 pm
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I'm not listening to "these people" whoever they are, what a your talking about? I'm saying that the basic design of the devices, and arrangement in terms of ability too stall or inspect, are rubbish.

I reckon anyone that has fitted sufficient quantities of the things will know exactly what I mean.

As an aside, I can absolutely guarantee you that the ESC and HSE will not take the view that all plastic DB's should be C1 when carrying out an EICR post 2016. You will ve the only one.
 08 November 2014 09:42 pm
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Originally posted by: leckie

As an aside, I can absolutely guarantee you that the ESC and HSE will not take the view that all plastic DB's should be C1 when carrying out an EICR post 2016. You will ve the only one.[IMG][/IMG]


It's safe to assume that this here new regulation will be written in the established "Thou Shalt Not.." tone. Leaving little room for it to be interpreted any differently to any other regulation.

The HSE aren't in the habit of offering guidance on or interpretation of numbered regulations so their opinion is worthless to the inspector putting his/her name on an EICR.

The ESC might have a valid opinion on the new regulation in which case it's hoped that they helped with the wording of the new regulation so as to prevent unfavorable coding of existing installations.
When an inspector is called to defend his/her EICR after a fatal fire caused by a plastic CU he didn't C1 he'd probably like something in black and white in the Big Book to back him/her up.

When lawyers are out for blood common sense and "accepted practice" count for nothing.

I just don't see any room for accepting existing plastic CU installations while prohibiting their future use.

And anyway, none of it will matter out there in Sparky Land when Mr./Mrs/Miss/Ms Sparky is scratching round for work.

There is a rich vein waiting to be tapped and a regulation to back him/her up.

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 08 November 2014 10:17 pm
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Well you can bet that if there is a fire in an office that the HSE will be involved.

Think about it. If this change which is going to be deferred until 2016 means that nearly every single house in the country in now considered C1, do you not think that with the gestation period of around 18 months, that the IET will not be at risk of being sued? They would be saying that it's OK to carry on until 2016 and then if they were to advise that all consumer unit required immediate changing where would they be? Up shxt creek without a paddle. Can you imagine the litigation from consumers to us lot? We would have our customers going crackers. The house builders would all be getting sued.

But it's not going to happen because it will be a C3, industry backed, safety council backed, building control backed and government backed.
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Originally posted by: leckie

Well you can bet that if there is a fire in an office that the HSE will be involved.

Yes but that will be after the event!




Think about it. If this change which is going to be deferred until 2016 means that nearly every single house in the country in now considered C1, do you not think that with the gestation period of around 18 months, that the IET will not be at risk of being sued? They would be saying that it's OK to carry on until 2016 and then if they were to advise that all consumer unit required immediate changing where would they be? Up shxt creek without a paddle. Can you imagine the litigation from consumers to us lot? We would have our customers going crackers. The house builders would all be getting sued.


I doubt it's still even being thought about in the corridors of power. The 18th Edition will now be the subject of those all day lunches (whence something of a retraction might be under consideration!)



But it's not going to happen because it will be a C3, industry backed, safety council backed, building control backed and government backed.


Sure it will.

But, if ever I should be in a position to be making the C1/C3 choice I'll phone the NICEIC technical hotline.
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 08 November 2014 10:56 pm
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You don't have to ring the NICEIC, JP has already told you that it will be a C3 in their book.

My nightmare scenario is metal consumer units with the same carp devices inside. We will then have equipment that half the Sparks will make an arxe of installing, combined with internal devices that are an arxe to install.
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Originally posted by: leckie

You don't have to ring the NICEIC, JP has already told you that it will be a C3 in their book.



My nightmare scenario is metal consumer units with the same carp devices inside. We will then have equipment that half the Sparks will make an arxe of installing, combined with internal devices that are an arxe to install.


Sorry I missed JP's post in passing! I think I addressed it later.

I often thought, that given the quality of work and lack of understanding of earthing I've often encountered on domestic installations, a plastic box was the safest place to hide it!

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 09 November 2014 02:28 pm
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Originally posted by: leckie

You don't have to ring the NICEIC, JP has already told you that it will be a C3 in their book.



My nightmare scenario is metal consumer units with the same carp devices inside. We will then have equipment that half the Sparks will make an arxe of installing, combined with internal devices that are an arxe to install.



Hi leckie - C3 = not worth mentioning, unless specifically requested on an EICR....... equally as dangerous at the time of inspection as the font on RCD warning label being 1mm too small, earth sleeving 1 cm too short, and similar, etc....?

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Originally posted by: leckie

Well I think JP put his finger on the reson for 90% of the problems. Rubbish designed cable termination clamps. I was check the termination tightness on a Wylex 804, wooden back plate type, the other day. The tails were absolutely tight and were probably fitted 35-40 years ago. Two screws, all brass, dead solid.



I have also checked hundreds of newer installs of tails terminations installed by guys working for me. I had to continuously explain to the guys that you need to check and double check that the cables are in the cage and not behind it. Surprisingly easy to do so it needs a check. Also, the board is finished and the testing is finished, all the terminations require rechecking. As Geoff was saying when he mentions twisting the connections to his students sockets, any movement can easily loosen or dislodge a connection.



The other favourite is terminations into MCB's. It is very difficult to actually see if cables or the busbar into modern MCB's are actually in the cage. With the cables you can tug test them with your trusty red insulated, Elliot Lucas long nose pliers, and then retighten. It's trickier with the busbar connections to ensure all the prongs are actually in the cage, not behind it if you cannot see the actual connection. This is the case with Hager and Control Gear. Probably with others as well.



So sort the devices out, not wrap up the rubbish in a metal box would be my preferred option.



That feels so good getting that off my chest. Now deep breath in, release, and......... relax!


Ditto that

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 08 November 2014 06:19 pm
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So that's clearly suggesting that it's a board and installer combination at fault - sort the board out is the answer not make it metal clad and keep the same crap inside it.

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 08 November 2014 06:22 pm
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yep

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 09 November 2014 01:54 pm
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I noticed that with Hager too and the busbar - I found that I could tell if the prong had engaged or not by rocking the device slightly on the DIN rail. But it was not ideal.

I'm not sure how it's got to this - it's not hard to make a caged terminal where the "wrong side" is shielded by metal so it's pretty much impossible to get the conductor in the wrong side.

I'm not a pro sparks, but I've worked with electronics all my life and even at the lower power end, there's a pronounced difference between a poor quality terminal and a good one.

For electronics I usually prefer caged terminals as you don't get the scenario of a wire slipping up the side of the screw or the screw breaking strands off - but these were good quality terminals. If a screw terminal, I'd usually crimp a ferrule on the end of fine stranded wire.

Mains fittings do seem to vary between decent and absolutely dire in my relatively limited experience. I seldom had trouble with GET accessory terminals but some other makes are appalling.
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