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Topic Title: EMMA SHAW CASE
Topic Summary: Result of the Court case
Created On: 31 March 2014 04:35 pm
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 EMMA SHAW CASE   - antric2 - 01 April 2014 12:46 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - aligarjon - 01 April 2014 08:07 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - AJJewsbury - 01 April 2014 09:15 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - weirdbeard - 01 April 2014 03:27 pm  
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 EMMA SHAW CASE   - phantom9 - 01 April 2014 01:14 pm  
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 EMMA SHAW CASE   - ennel - 01 April 2014 07:07 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - Zoro - 02 April 2014 10:20 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - weirdbeard - 01 April 2014 03:21 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - OMS - 01 April 2014 03:28 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - AJJewsbury - 01 April 2014 03:15 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - AJJewsbury - 01 April 2014 03:27 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - John Peckham - 01 April 2014 03:36 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - phantom9 - 02 April 2014 09:05 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - phantom9 - 02 April 2014 09:10 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - OMS - 02 April 2014 10:16 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - sparkingchip - 02 April 2014 12:00 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - phantom9 - 02 April 2014 06:57 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - AJJewsbury - 02 April 2014 09:15 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - phantom9 - 02 April 2014 09:21 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - AJJewsbury - 02 April 2014 09:38 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - mapj1 - 02 April 2014 10:26 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - OMS - 02 April 2014 12:06 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - AJJewsbury - 02 April 2014 12:14 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - mapj1 - 02 April 2014 01:20 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - OMS - 02 April 2014 01:50 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - AJJewsbury - 02 April 2014 03:04 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - OMS - 02 April 2014 04:13 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - GeoffBlackwell - 02 April 2014 04:22 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - rocknroll - 02 April 2014 04:26 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - AJJewsbury - 02 April 2014 05:50 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - phantom9 - 02 April 2014 06:36 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - Zuiko - 02 April 2014 07:02 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - geoffsd - 02 April 2014 07:33 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - OMS - 02 April 2014 08:24 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - phantom9 - 02 April 2014 11:38 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - mawry - 03 April 2014 02:39 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - briandoherty - 06 April 2014 06:09 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - Zs - 07 April 2014 07:27 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - mawry - 08 April 2014 11:13 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - mikejumper - 08 April 2014 07:46 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - napitprofessional - 09 April 2014 12:06 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - Zoro - 09 April 2014 10:50 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - napitprofessional - 09 April 2014 02:01 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - AJJewsbury - 02 April 2014 08:23 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - Parsley - 02 April 2014 10:30 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - electricman - 02 April 2014 11:06 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - ericmark - 03 April 2014 02:37 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - Zoro - 04 April 2014 09:20 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - John Peckham - 06 April 2014 03:53 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - electricman - 08 April 2014 11:19 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - AJJewsbury - 08 April 2014 11:23 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - mikejumper - 09 April 2014 04:42 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - OMS - 09 April 2014 05:14 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - psychicwarrior - 10 April 2014 08:56 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - napitprofessional - 11 April 2014 05:54 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - davezawadi - 12 April 2014 11:46 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - sparkingchip - 12 April 2014 12:33 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - John Peckham - 12 April 2014 01:21 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - weirdbeard - 12 April 2014 06:28 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - sparkingchip - 12 April 2014 06:51 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - weirdbeard - 12 April 2014 08:11 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - sparkingchip - 12 April 2014 10:57 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - phantom9 - 12 April 2014 04:02 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - Grobbyman - 12 April 2014 05:44 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - Zoro - 12 April 2014 06:11 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - Fm - 12 April 2014 11:26 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - sparkingchip - 12 April 2014 11:37 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - Fm - 12 April 2014 11:40 pm  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - sparkingchip - 13 April 2014 12:04 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - phantom9 - 13 April 2014 09:25 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - OMS - 14 April 2014 10:13 am  
 EMMA SHAW CASE   - potential - 14 April 2014 10:32 am  
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 02 April 2014 03:04 pm
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AJJewsbury

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Indeed - what else could have reasonably be use.

I was just wondering that if the HSAWA does indeed cover domestics, like this case, then where's the gap that part P is intended to fill? (I thought that part P covered only domestics as the HSAWA covered workplaces).
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 02 April 2014 04:13 pm
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OMS

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But the two guys involved were employees (or posibly self employed) so HASAWA will always apply to them.

The domestic client does not attract the same duties under HASAWA but it still applies to all those "at work"

Or at least that would be my thinking on it Andy

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 02 April 2014 04:22 pm
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GeoffBlackwell

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I found it strange that the HASAWA was used but there were two defence barristers (one for each defendant) and I am sure they would have moved to have the cases thrown out if the law used did not apply.

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Geoff Blackwell
 02 April 2014 04:26 pm
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rocknroll

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Domestic premises have no duties under HASAW it terminates at the service position, but this was about the actions of the employer and employees where it requires employers (and the self-employed) to ensure that non-employees (eg the general public, contractors and contract staff) do not have their health and safety adversely affected by the employer's actions, has this been an incident in the workplace then the actual death would have figured more highly in the case.

Now that a person has been found guilty the aggrieved party/s can persue this on their own through common law if they so want.

Building Regulations are generally minor technical offences and dealt with through common law, there is no Part P offence it reverts to Regulation 7, building work shall be carried out - with proper materials and a workmanlike manner, that is the legal bit.

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