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Created On: 20 January 2019 10:51 PM
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 20 January 2019 10:51 PM
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dustydazzler

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Legh

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Well... he was very kind to tell us 'that was all he had for us today' .....

1/ side cutters = engineering pliers
2/ Eastern seaboard accent with Black and white insulated conductor = American
3/ Should never had been so difficult over who was supplying the drinks at the party in Boston and then the overseas badger would never had exiisted.
Let's keep the badger local as it will be impossible to export our prize ability when Bexit kicks in......

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 21 January 2019 07:52 AM
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ebee

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Seems a bodge.

He`d have better luck with a sharp knife ie stanley type. A light score around the circumference . Alternativey run the knife down the cpc whilst not cutting into it. Both take practice, it`s the way we were brought up. After several hundred you could do it blinfold and never cause damage.

Interesting term side cutters, I usually refer to diagonal cutters as side cutters or sidies.
Rolling side cutters (diagonal cutters) around the circumference rather like he did with the combination pliers is a well practised trick in some quarters.

At least he didnt use a cpc as a draw wire to split the sheathing - I hate that it`s abuse

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Edited: 21 January 2019 at 07:59 AM by ebee
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Americans / Canadians usually call those side cutting pliers / linesman pliers or just linemans. I have never heard them referred to as simply side cutters either here or over the pond.
Over the pond they tend to call side cutters 'dykes' or 'diagonal cutters'

More often than not you see them use proper Romex wire strippers with those little notches in them...

To butcher a piece of twin and earth like that is not necessary when you can buy the correct wire stripper from Home Depot for about 15 bucks
 21 January 2019 01:28 PM
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kellyselectric

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I suppose thats a valid technique if your a DIYer and only doing it occasionally but I wouldn't want to do that to often. Interesting that the US are now actually adding an earth didn't think they bothered about that much
 21 January 2019 03:33 PM
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AJJewsbury

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Interesting that the US are now actually adding an earth didn't think they bothered about that much

I think the US (and Canada) are quite fond of earthing (grounding) - their earthed sockets (NEMA 5-15) have been about for donkey's years and I think have been mandatory since the 1960s or 1970s for new installations. That's not to say that that's the case everywhere that uses US style accessories though (perhaps central or southern Americas).
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dustydazzler

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Romex always comes with a grounding wire Afaik

I have seen them use the neutral as a grounding if no ground wire is present
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At least he didnt use a cpc as a draw wire to split the sheathing - I hate that it`s abuse


Wot! You mean that the bare copper wire in T&E cable isn't an integral wire stripper like the nylon string in comms cables? I must have been doing it wrong all these years.

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 21 January 2019 05:05 PM
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ebee

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Yep it`s abuse.
I`ll report you to the R S P C c.p.c`s Zoom

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 21 January 2019 05:07 PM
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dustydazzler

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Originally posted by: Zoomup

At least he didnt use a cpc as a draw wire to split the sheathing - I hate that it`s abuse




Wot! You mean that the bare copper wire in T&E cable isn't an integral wire stripper like the nylon string in comms cables? I must have been doing it wrong all these years.



Z.


When my dad was a young he installed lots of twin cable in houses for lighting.
He says he would split the cable like we do now but rather than pull the cpc like we do , as there was no cpc he would pull the neutral to sperate the cores and sheath.
He was shown this way and always used this method.
 21 January 2019 07:45 PM
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John Peckham

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I strip T&E using the CPC as I have for many years since being taught to do so in the Post Office training school as an apprentice. I still have my PO issue " knives pocket No 2 " which has a hooked pointed blade for stripping cable which comes in handy from time to time.

Why is using the CPC to strip T&E not professional?

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 21 January 2019 07:48 PM
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I thought T&E only came out in the 60s.........

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 21 January 2019 08:01 PM
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John Peckham

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BOD

No doubt you were taught to strip lead sheathed cable?

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 21 January 2019 08:11 PM
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No doubt you were taught to strip lead sheathed cable?

Touché !

Although I have had to carry out repairs on said cable as still in service in a house from it's first wire of 1932.

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 21 January 2019 08:19 PM
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ebee

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Putting (pulling) undue force on a conductor (especially 1.0) and bending it whilst stretching it aint good for a bit of copper. Be gentle with your solid conductors and they will be gentle with you

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 21 January 2019 08:31 PM
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Ebee

I don't put that much strain on the CPC to dame it or reduce the CSA. I was also taught to push a MICC core with my pliers to put a hump on it then to pull it straight to take out to make it nice and straight to slip on the sleeving.

Now I have confessed some of my bad practices will I have to send my Approved Electrician card back.

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 21 January 2019 09:00 PM
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ebee

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John,
you might well do it expertly but how many times have you seen others do it otherwise? makes me cringe when I see what some do.

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 21 January 2019 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by: ebee
Putting (pulling) undue force on a conductor (especially 1.0) and bending it whilst stretching it aint good for a bit of copper.

Have to agree with that.
 21 January 2019 09:40 PM
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John Peckham

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Mind you I was doing a consumer unit change in my own house when stripping T&E using the CPC the pliers came off the CPC causing me to punch the cut out fuse carrier with some force. Loads of pain and blood and me saying, " oh my word that jolly well hurt", or words to that effect.

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 21 January 2019 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by: dustydazzler

Proper badger ...



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